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Santorum, Feb. 3:"In the Netherlands people wear a different bracelet if you're elderly and the bracelet is 'do not euthanize me.' Because they have voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands, but half the people who are euthanized every year, and it's 10 percent of all deaths for the Netherlands, half of those people are euthanized involuntarily at hospitals because they are older and sick. And so elderly people in the Netherlands don't go to the hospital, they go to another country, because they are afraid, because of budget purposes, that they will not come out of that hospital if they go in with sickness."

One doesn't have to be a lying scumbag to get ahead in politics, but in the US, one presidential hopeful seems to think it helps.

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josephine_64
Feb. 26th, 2012 11:11 am (UTC)
Sadly, I get the impression that many US politicians use the fact that many people in the US know nothing about the rest of the world beyond the belief that their country is better in every respect than anywhere else. Then, they believe this sort of drivel.

You've only got to look at this report to see it's not unique!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6017878/Stephen-Hawking-I-would-not-be-alive-without-the-NHS.html
empresspatti
Feb. 26th, 2012 12:58 pm (UTC)
As an American, I can tell you whole heartedly - you are SO RIGHT! As a nation, we've become so ignorant that every place not USA is 'Europe" and inferior because they have health care and fuel efficient cars.

Honestly, the GOP primary has been just as damaging to our nation as the wars we've started in the middle east.
gamiila
Feb. 27th, 2012 06:58 pm (UTC)
Honestly, the GOP primary has been just as damaging to our nation as the wars we've started in the middle east.

Perhaps not quite that bad! I daresay we'll all be friends again soon enough.
enigmaticblues
Feb. 26th, 2012 01:51 pm (UTC)
I'm afraid you're only too right. In law school, while we were debating the upcoming health reform bill one day, I made the mistake of suggesting that we look to European countries and take notes, because y'all have a great system. Even the one liberal in class I thought I could count on to be reasonable squawked that this was America and our system is best. I just wanted to *headdesk* SO HARD.

The fact is, most people from the US don't know people from other countries. I might have been one of the ignorant, mostly because I had no real way of getting facts. But after I started making friends from all corners of the globe, that changed tremendously, because I knew so many people who used a national health care system. And, when I get the chance, I'll say, "Hey, I know people from that country who love their health care! You're wrong."

IMHO, a big part of the problem is that we export almost everything, and far too many people still believe that if you say it on Fox News, it must be true.

It's so unbelievably frustrating to those of us who know this crap isn't true, and who try to stem the tide of ignorance, but... Yeah.
gamiila
Feb. 27th, 2012 04:19 pm (UTC)
The fact is, most people from the US don't know people from other countries.

I don't know a lot about Outer Mongolia. But I don't go around making up stories about it.

I know there's millions of Americans who think for themselves and won't buy into his crap. Will they all turn up to vote, though?
enigmaticblues
Feb. 27th, 2012 04:33 pm (UTC)
It's true. There are far too many Americans who feel as though they have to have an opinion on everything, even when they should keep their mouths shut until they've educated themselves.

Voter turnout here is ridiculously low, and a lot of states are passing laws that discriminate against persons of color, poor people, and the disabled, in that there are laws making it harder for them to vote. But a lot of the Republicans are making such asses out of themselves where it concerns immigration and women's rights that I think a lot of people will turn out to vote.
gamiila
Feb. 27th, 2012 04:44 pm (UTC)
I think a lot of people will turn out to vote.

I hope you're right. But mostly I hope Obama will get a chance to see his healthcare reform come into practical effect.
gamiila
Feb. 27th, 2012 05:08 pm (UTC)
You're right, we're not the only ones being singled out for this kind of abuse, and I know it's a fact that our 2002 law permitting euthanasia and assisted suicide (though only under strict conditions) makes us an easy target for those courting American right-wing Christians in an election year. I take comfort from the prognosis that none of these idiots will actually succeed in attaining the top job, or so the polls tell us.

But on a personal level, I do feel insulted that my country -which isn't perfect by a long shot- is being misrepresented as a deathcamp; and I am tired of -when I go to the States- having to defend it against such rubbish accusations.
deborahw37
Feb. 26th, 2012 12:29 pm (UTC)
I get FURIOUS when they tell lies about the NHS.. all that crap bout death panels and bureaucrats deciding who gets what treatment. It's nonsense and especially rich coming from a country where millions have no access to proper health care and everyone else gets what their insurance company is willing to pay for or gets a big bill
gamiila
Feb. 27th, 2012 03:57 pm (UTC)
Hear, hear!

As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter how many excellent doctors, amenities and nursing staff a country can boast if it can't provide an adequate healthcare at no or reasonable cost to ALL its people.
enigmaticblues
Feb. 26th, 2012 01:45 pm (UTC)
Yeah, he's an idiot. An uninformed, offensive idiot. And I'm sorry we can't ship him off to whatever magical la-la land he'd like to be from.

But if it makes you feel better (worse), he made a comment likening gay sex to having sex with a dog, so someone google-bombed him. Now, you can't google his name without finding the . That might make you feel better.
gamiila
Feb. 27th, 2012 04:14 pm (UTC)
Sadly, that link is either dead or broken, but I remember the hullaballoo that followed his comments while on campaign in New Hampshire. If these are truly his beliefs than the man is a bigotted fool of the highest order, and he would be a joke in politics anywhere else but in the States. Thankfully, the polls we hear about here in this cesspool of iniquity, where we frolic among the tulips and smoke pot all day, and where all our authority figures are gay, seem to indicate that hell will freeze over before he'll win the Republican nomination. I just hope and pray that the man\woman who does eventually end up in the White House will be better informed and more diplomatically savvy.
curiouswombat
Feb. 26th, 2012 01:57 pm (UTC)
One doesn't have to be a lying scumbag to get ahead in politics, but in the US, one presidential hopeful seems to think it helps.

I have noticed exactly the same thing in the past - when Rudi Giulliani was quoting completely bogus, made up, 'statistics' about the NHS during the last campaign. There seems to be no US law that insist that they tell the truth when campaigning - or doing anything else - whereas we are used to politicians having to publicly rescind things that can be proven to be wrong.

And that statement is just so ridiculous that you or I might, at first, want to laugh at it - and yet lots of Americans will believe it must be true because one of their politicians said it is.

Your government should sue the bastard for punitive damages.
gamiila
Feb. 27th, 2012 04:39 pm (UTC)
So far, our government maintain their position that they do not interfere in another country's internal politics, though there are plenty of people here that think that for once, they should break that rule. But if they do, they'll probably invite him over to come see for himself, and roll out the red carpet; and then he'll have got a nice free trip out of it!

Honestly, I'd laugh at the American politicians always pointing to the NHS or any of the other European countries' publicly funded healthcare services as a dangerous precedent that the USA shouldn't follow if I didn't know that there are huge numbers of American citizens who can't get adequate healthcare even if they work all the hours God sends.
melegyrn
Feb. 26th, 2012 03:22 pm (UTC)
Neither do I have words. Sometimes when I hear his comments (and those of other Republican candidates) I get so mad and frustrated I have to turn off the radio-for the sake of my blood pressure as well as my sanity. One has to listen carefully to hear any rebuttal of the things these candidates are saying, which irritates me no end. It's inconceivable to me how these guys can expect to have any credibility outside the U.S. after what they've said in this campaign. And they don't have any credibility here anyway IMHO. Would that we could count on eveyone that hears them to give what they say a little rational analysis. The fact that I don't see that happening is really scary.

Edited at 2012-02-26 03:39 pm (UTC)
gamiila
Feb. 27th, 2012 06:45 pm (UTC)
It's inconceivable to me how these guys can expect to have any credibility outside the U.S. after what they've said in this campaign.

Well, that's just it. They don't have any over here anyway, but if any one of them actually does manage to land himself in the White House, he's going to have his job cut out for them trying to convince the rest of the world that he was only quoted out of context while out on the campaign trail, he didn't really mean it like that and we should take him and his foreign policies seriously.
brutti_ma_buoni
Feb. 26th, 2012 06:29 pm (UTC)
I want to think that this kind of campaigning should wither with the growing internet - because it's so damn easy to check, to look at the facts, to talk to, yanno, foreigners (hi, foreigner!) and find out if there's even a fragment of truth in these allegations. The US isn't a nation that's somehow intellectually cut off, these aren't backwoods campaigns among a populace with minimal literacy and access to information. So how the hell do they continue to get away with it?

Because it's not going away. If anything, it seems to be getting worse.

Despairing right along with you.
gamiila
Feb. 27th, 2012 06:32 pm (UTC)
I don't think the audiences that come to hear and cheer these politicians, i.e. people who are scared their so-called 'Christian' values are being trodden on by 'the government' and the outside world, can actually be that Internet-savvy. They're not the kind of people that feel confident enough to lower the drawbridge and reconnoiter, but feel safer cowering inside the castle of their own misinformation.
suze2000
Feb. 27th, 2012 01:57 am (UTC)
Do you mean to say that's not true?

*phew* I was sooo worried I'd be taken for an organ donor and euthanased the moment we land.

Fuck American ignoramuses. (ignorami?)
gamiila
Feb. 27th, 2012 06:54 pm (UTC)
Fuck 'em.

Mind you, we might turn you gay though...
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