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I made the mistake of opening the confirmation letter that came through the post yesterday. It told me that my interview with the selection committee would take place at 9 am on the 27th, so no news there; but then it went on to say that they expected me to bring all my diplomas, letters of recommendation and the name and telephone number of my present manager as well as that of two further references...I suppose I'll be able to find all my diplomas if I clear out all the cupboards this weekend (not a clue where I might have hidden them), but letters of recommendation? Sorry, but I don't have any. However, it's the demand for name & tel.no. of current manager that's seriously wigging me out. Ask Jobsworth, who obstructed my move within the company when both the company doctor and the therapist suggested it on the grounds that he couldn't, in all fairness, recommend me to any of his colleagues because I had had a breakdown and therefore had not been particularly productive over a number of months, for a reference? Jobsworth, who has let me know that if I ever wanted him to give a favourable report to anyone, I would have to prove myself to him first, and over a prolonged period of time, and then he might think about it? I might as well not bother.

Still, I'll need to get three references from somewhere. I can ask one of my previous managers...who else?


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Jul. 14th, 2005 07:25 am (UTC)
Hmm, bugger.
Jul. 14th, 2005 07:53 am (UTC)
Indeed. I believe I'm royally fucked.
Jul. 14th, 2005 08:08 am (UTC)
Consider including a note saying that Jobsworth has been a problem or that you don't wish to alert your present employers that you're considering leaving. Then make sure you get a references from your immediately prior manager.

They know that sometimes it's not the employee's fault.
Jul. 14th, 2005 01:03 pm (UTC)
I'm really in two minds about telling them my present manager and myself don't see eye to eye -- they may think I'm being disloyal...

OTOH, you could be right when you say "They know that sometimes it's not the employee's fault.", in which case honesty will probably be my best strategy...

However, I have already asked my previous manager to give me a glowing reference, and she's mailed me back from her vacation spot to say that no problem, she will!, so I'm slightly less panicked than I was before.
Jul. 14th, 2005 09:46 am (UTC)
I was basically going to say exactly what dalmeny said! Go up-line for a manager report if you have to have one, including telling said more senior manager that one reason you are hoping to leave is because of personal differences with your direct line-manager, and so you do not feel that any reference he would give would be unbiased.

You could however attend the interview with no letter from current managers at all, explain that you don't want them to know that you are job-hunting, but if they would still like you to get such a letter after they have interviewed you, you will. Then go up-line as before! Or let the interview panel know in advance that you don't want to alert current employer etc.!!

Other references from outside your employment totally can be good - ones that show you are a person with varied interests or other strengths - Church, someone involved with any interest group etc. (Isn't your original qualification in something artistic or historic?)
Jul. 14th, 2005 01:20 pm (UTC)
So far, I've asked my previous manager for a reference, and for the non-work related references I'm thinking of asking my vicar friend and perhaps my therapist -- or maybe not, don't want to them to think they're dealing with a nutter; but I still need two more.

Going to Jobsworth's manager is not really an option. It has to do with the way hp is organised...a lot of line-managers have virtual and/or hosting managers placed above them in the organigram, but have no relationship with these people whatsoever. So on paper, Jobsworth's immediate manager is someone in Singapore, who he's never even met or spoken with, and who I don't know either.

I do know Jobsworth's hosting manager, but he's in the US for the next few weeks and will be away on holiday in August...:(
Jul. 14th, 2005 03:40 pm (UTC)
I do know Jobsworth's hosting manager, but he's in the US for the next few weeks and will be away on holiday in August...:(

Tell the interview panel that. Explain that the HP structure is such that the alternative is someone in Singapore who has never met you, and so a request for a reference will just sit on the hosting manager's desk until he/she returns from vacation.

(Hosting manager sounds like they ought to be organising social events!!)
Jul. 18th, 2005 07:02 am (UTC)
(Hosting manager sounds like they ought to be organising social events!!)

It does, doesn't it? In HP jargon, it means someone who 'facilitates' another manager and his employees, by providing desk space and telecom facilitities. But there's no line of report between them.
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