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What is wrong with people these days that they can't differentiate between black and white tie anymore? I swear if I see one more post going up in which someone refers to the Doctor's outfit at the wedding as a tuxedo, I will give up on humanity, and hope he does, too!



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Jun. 27th, 2010 08:11 pm (UTC)
There's a difference?
Jun. 27th, 2010 08:35 pm (UTC)
Why, yes. White tie or full evening dress is the most formal of men's dress styles, strictly regulated and consists of

- black tailcoat with silk (grosgrain or satin) facings, horizontally cut-away at the front, cut as if double-breasted but unable to close
- black trousers with a single stripe of satin or braid in the US or two stripes in Europe; trousers are fish-tail back, thus worn with braces instead of a belt.
- white plain stiff-fronted cotton shirt (usually cotton marcella)
- white stiff-winged collar
- white bow tie (usually cotton marcella)
- white low-cut waistcoat (usually cotton marcella), matching the bow tie and shirt, which should not extend below the front of the tailcoat
- black silk stockings (long socks)
- black pumps

Black tie, which is commonly referred to as a tuxedo in the US, consists of

- a single-breasted jacket with ribbed silk facings (usually grosgrain) on a shawl collar or on a peaked lapel (a notched lapel is considered incorrect).
- trousers with silk braids covering the outer seams
- a black cummerbund or low-cut waistcoat
- a white dress shirt with a marcella (piqué cotton) front and either a wing or turndown collar
- a black ribbed silk (self-tied) bow tie matching the lapel facings
- black dress socks, usually silk or fine wool
- black shoes in patent leather, or patent leather court shoes

Top hat and tails are usually worn to formal state occasions, balls, banquets and the opera. In turning up at the wedding in white tie, it could be argued that the Doctor had overdressed slightly...but he did cut a dashing figure in it.
Jun. 27th, 2010 08:44 pm (UTC)
I shouldn't have asked!

I doubt it'll ever matter that much to me. I don't get invited to those sort of dos.
Jun. 27th, 2010 09:06 pm (UTC)
I must confess, I don't often get invited to those sorts of dos either (well, not these days), but it has been part of my upbringing. If an invitation stipulates white tie as the dress code, a woman would be expected to turn up in an evening gown or a ball gown; if black tie, she can relax and wear a cocktail dress.

Rory, btw, was wearing a morning suit to his wedding, as is entirely appropriate as it can be worn before dark.
Jun. 27th, 2010 09:23 pm (UTC)
f an invitation stipulates white tie as the dress code, I'd wiggle out of going. I look appalling in a dress.
Jun. 27th, 2010 09:40 pm (UTC)
I love dressing up. But even so, I'm more comfortable with black tie: there's no reason a cocktail dress can't be worn more than once.

I bet that, as with the millions of other women who feel uncomfortable in frocks, you could look stunning in a (bespoke) dress, though.
Jun. 27th, 2010 09:48 pm (UTC)
Maybe, but I doubt that'll ever happen.
Jun. 28th, 2010 08:55 am (UTC)
I was amazed how well-constructed and comfortable my wedding dress was. Because it was properly made, with boning and so on, and a rough fabric version was cut and fitted to me before the actual dress was made. I couldn't believe how well it fitted and how flattering it was. The couturier said, when I commented on it, that she always aims for the dress to take off 5kg on every bride. Can't ask for more than that!
Jun. 28th, 2010 10:20 am (UTC)
Exactly. Off the rack dresses are cut to a mean or average body shape -- but most women don't have an average body shape. I, e.g. am quite top-heavy, and have wide shoulders; and so I can never find a dress that will fit over both my bosoms and my waist unless I go at least 2 sizes up; then I can fit my bosoms in, but I'm left with a surplus of material at the waist and if it has a collar, that will be too big, too.

In the past, I have worn dresses that were tailor-made for me and I looked fabulous; but when you're on an average salary, bespoke clothing just isn't something you can afford, esp. not for everyday wear. Which is why I usually wear trousers.

I can't wear blouses either, by the way. Same reason as with the dresses: can't fit them over my boobs; and if for some reason they look as if they can, they'll tear in the armpits on the first day of wear.
Jun. 28th, 2010 12:04 pm (UTC)
In the future, you'll be able to go into a store, have a 3D avatar made of yourself, look at clothes on your avatar, and have them made up on the spot to fit. I hope that comes soon.
Jun. 28th, 2010 04:24 pm (UTC)
Can't wait!
Jun. 28th, 2010 08:38 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad you asked this!
Jun. 28th, 2010 11:21 pm (UTC)
I'm beginning to think I may be a relic from a bygone age...
Jun. 29th, 2010 09:50 pm (UTC)
I love that you know these things. I wish I did, and had been exposed to them. However, I honestly don't think there will ever be a time in my life when I will *need* to know this. I am still glad that I can say I do now.
Jun. 28th, 2010 08:50 am (UTC)
I once went to a white tie dinner having no idea about dress codes. The only time people dress up in this country is to go to high school balls or award dinners - and even then, dress standards are falling.

Still, as I was an Aussie in England, I didn't even feel uncomfortable, as I just didn't have a clue! I thought some of the other ladies were a little overdressed (obviously, I now know, and have for a few years, that they weren't), and that the gentlemen looked rather spiffy, but apart from that, barely noticed. I had spent a lot of time and money on what I WAS wearing, however, and as I was travelling, I think people either cut me some slack, or dismissed me as an uncouth Australian. Either way, I'm fine with that. :)
Jun. 28th, 2010 10:27 am (UTC)
I had spent a lot of time and money on what I WAS wearing, however, and as I was travelling, I think people either cut me some slack, or dismissed me as an uncouth Australian.

Oh, that would have been extremely bad form if they had had that last thought! Isn't it more likely that they thought you looked lovely, and that you WERE lovely?
Jun. 28th, 2010 12:02 pm (UTC)
Well, if anyone thought it, they didn't say it in my hearing at least. And really, I barely spoke to a total of 20 people there. So how would they have known me to notice one way or another?

I do think I looked good that night. I picked up, haha (afterwards, I'm not THAT shameless)! And am still good mates with that fellow. :)
Jun. 28th, 2010 04:27 pm (UTC)
So how would they have known me to notice one way or another?

There you are, then. Proof you fitted right in (blended in with the background).
Jun. 29th, 2010 01:52 am (UTC)
So, I read this yesterday before I'd had a chance to watch the ep. Since I'm usually a day or two behind, I'd really appreciate cut-tags for Doctor Who. Thanks!
Jun. 30th, 2010 06:51 pm (UTC)
Now that the Doctor is smartening up his formal wear I do hope we see him in a top hat and tails.
Jul. 1st, 2010 08:40 am (UTC)
Well, unless he changes into his usual costume before the TARDIS deposits the team at their Christmas destination, he should still be in his tails (having earlier discarded the top hat) he wore to the wedding.
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