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So far, I have managed to remain, for the most part, unspoiled; partly through being in the rather unenviable geographical position of Europe, where access to AtS S5 is not yet readily available; and partly through being not half as curious about Angel as I used to be about Buffy.

Thanks to db2305 and her collection of downloads, I can now claim a certain measure of being up to speed with AtS and the Spike it shows us, and I must say: I don't know what all the hullaballoo was about. I love this Spike! He's witty, he's snarky, heroic, annoying, insightful, empathic, tugging-at-the-heartstrings Spike; same as he ever was.

Having watched 'Conviction' and 'Just Rewards' with her last time, this time we decided to watch the rest out of sequence and therefore ended up with 'Lineage', 'Destiny' and 'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco' for the evening. Not too much Spike in the first offering, but what there was, was brilliant -- from the quasi-casual "Sex with robots"-comment through the awkwardness of the introduction to Wyndham-Pryce Sr. and the gleeful Percy Headboy-remarks to the sincerely meant solace of a shared experience at the end (however off the offer comes off). And throughout, it looks as if Spike is having a whale of a time being a major pain in Angel's butt, which is consistent with his BtVS-persona, and damn funny besides.
Meanwhile, I'm impressed with Wesley, who I agree did the most expedient thing under the circumstances up on the roof, but won't allow himself any excuses for what he feels that makes him -- a patricide. It appears there's a ruthless streak in him, but the person he's most ruthless with, is himself. (This may not come as a surprise to anyone else, but I haven't seen Wesley much since BtVS's 3rd season).

'Destiny', the most Spike-centric of the episodes we watched last night, I loved from start to finish. From Whingeing!Spike to Ecstatic!Spike in 2 seconds flat was wholly believable and extremely fun to watch. And he is such a guy! No sooner is there food in his belly than his thoughts turn to gratification of another kind.
The fight and Spike's argument had me glued to the screen, and I hope for his sake that Angel's learned a valuable lesson out of all this, and will start to lose some of that holier-than-thou attitude of his.
I have no comment to make about the reappearance of Lindsey -- as I never used to watch AtS before Spike joined the cast, I'm drawing a complete blank as to the significance of this.

'The Cautionary Tale of No. 5' didn't really do much for me, although Angel being miffed at the demon for not taking his heart gave me chuckle and reminded me of that old Dutch saying, 'it's never good or there's something wrong with it' (roughly translated). He was definitely looking a gift horse in the mouth!

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binsoup
Dec. 10th, 2003 03:56 am (UTC)
It appears there's a ruthless streak in him (Wesley), but the person he's most ruthless with, is himself.

Most definitely. Angel is correct. Wesley is the strongest person in the Angelverse. There is something compelling yet also repulsive about men who will kill for the greater good. Although Wesley's conscious motivation is to defend the woman he loves, I think that his capacity to kill his own father is a by-product of his watcher training. I am very excited about the possibility of another Angel-Wesley implosion when the latter finds out about the mind-swipe spell.

And yes, I don't also get all the hullaballo re. Spike. I like the Spike that we seem to be getting.
onetwomany
Dec. 10th, 2003 04:09 am (UTC)
I'm glad to hear your enjoying the season - I'm loving this Spike as well. I can see why some people may not be that impressed by him, but this is the Spike I fell in love with - a snarky punk with a romantic streak who thumbs his nose at authority but protects the people he loves. Plus, now he's actually kinda a hero, although in a pleasingly non-traditional kinda way.

And just wait till you get to know Lindsey a bit better. I squeed and squeed when I saw him, and believe me when I say there's good reason for that :)
gamiila
Dec. 10th, 2003 11:44 pm (UTC)
And just wait till you get to know Lindsey a bit better. I squeed and squeed when I saw him, and believe me when I say there's good reason for that :)

Well, there's still 10 or more episodes to come, aren't there, so I should have plenty of opportunity to get to know and possibly, like him. For the moment though, I'm just intrigued by all the signs and symbols up on his walls (presuming it was his pad and not Eve's). They reminded me of the symbols carved in poor Spike last year, so they cannot be of the good!
bogwitch
Dec. 10th, 2003 11:17 am (UTC)
Oh good, now you're practically caught up the fic will make more sense.

Do you notice the Viper changed colour from black to red just to spite me?
gamiila
Dec. 10th, 2003 11:37 pm (UTC)
I thought something was different! Couldn't quite put my finger on it yesterday though, but now that you mention it...yes, the car was red in Destiny, wasn't it?
bogwitch
Dec. 10th, 2003 11:41 pm (UTC)
I suppose Angel just has to have the black car.
gamiila
Dec. 10th, 2003 11:48 pm (UTC)
I'm not complaining. Red suits Spike just as well as black does, IMO. As to the car itself...I still miss the old DeSoto.
bogwitch
Dec. 10th, 2003 11:50 pm (UTC)
As long as he doesn't start wearing it.
gamiila
Dec. 11th, 2003 12:02 am (UTC)
As long as he doesn't start wearing it

Well -- no.

The occasional red shirt is fine, as long as his base colour remains black. Having said that, I did approve of his tan and leather outfit in Crush, and the blue's always looked good on him, too. Oh, and the khakis in ew Moon Rising...
julchek
Dec. 11th, 2003 03:06 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you got to see these episodes, G.

...and I must say: I don't know what all the hullaballoo was about. I love this Spike! He's witty, he's snarky, heroic, annoying, insightful, empathic, tugging-at-the-heartstrings Spike; same as he ever was.

I agree with you - I haven't been disappointed with Spike on AtS, as there is so much of the Spike I love there. I can even accept the bit with Harmony from "Destiny" now, given the circumstances. And I agree with Sabre - just wait till you see more of Lindsay. I am really excited to see what kind of mayhem he is bringing back to the show. Those runes on the apartment walls and in his tats cannot be good. I will have to look closely at them again, and compare them to the carvings on our boy from the First - didn't occur to me that they could be related.
gamiila
Dec. 11th, 2003 11:46 pm (UTC)
I will have to look closely at them again, and compare them to the carvings on our boy from the First - didn't occur to me that they could be related.

Oh, I'm not suggesting they are (am I?) -- they're obviously meant to be some kind of magical symbols, could be multi-purpose, and have nothing whatsoever to do with primal evil.

But this Lindsey...was he a good guy, or a bad guy last time you saw him?
julchek
Dec. 12th, 2003 05:00 pm (UTC)
For the moment though, I'm just intrigued by all the signs and symbols up on his walls (presuming it was his pad and not Eve's). They reminded me of the symbols carved in poor Spike last year, so they cannot be of the good!

This is what prompted me to say what I did about the runes in Lindsay's place versus the cuts on Spike last season. Probably aren't related, but interesting to speculate to that effect.

Now, as far as Lindsay's status when he left, I seem to recall that he was on the road to becoming good. He left Wolfram and Hart, I thought, and he had not always been such a bad guy (gee, sounds like someone else we know who was formerly evil and reformed, doesn't it?). Perhaps someone else could chime in, as I haven't been up on my back episodes of AtS.


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